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joule mobile mass transporter

Postby ahmee » Sun May 14, 2006 5:17 pm

hi everyone,

For my physics class, I have to build a device that would be able to transport a 1 kilogram mass for a particular distance using the energy that is released from the 1 kilogram mass when it falls a distance of 10 centimeters. Here's the instructions:

http://xf5.xanga.com/78bb81227913054235 ... 345188.jpg

I don't know how to start this. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks.
Amy =P

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Re: joule mobile mass transporter

Postby OneBriiguy » Thu May 18, 2006 10:26 am

ahmee wrote:hi everyone,

For my physics class, I have to build a device that would be able to transport a 1 kilogram mass for a particular distance using the energy that is released from the 1 kilogram mass when it falls a distance of 10 centimeters. Here's the instructions:

http://xf5.xanga.com/78bb81227913054235 ... 345188.jpg

I don't know how to start this. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks.


Hi, ahmee!

The fundamentals you need to consider for this project are how to capture the energy of the weight as it drops and then transferring that energy to somehow move the carrier. The instructions you posted talk about wheels and so on, so it seems like you need to construct some kind of car that gets it's power from the falling weight and transfers that energy to the wheels that push the car. Since the weight will drop 10 centimeters and the carrier is expected to travel 10 meters, you need to consider how to convert the energy in an efficient way.

For example, you could rig a simple string mechanism that connects to the weight, loops over a pulley or roller and then winds around the axle of a wheel on the car. As the weight falls, it makes the wheel turn and drives the carrier. The complication that you need to think about is how to sort of "mulitply" the 10 centimeter drop to get the carrier to move 10 meters.

I hope this discussion helps you get started.

Best regards!
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Postby ahmee » Tue May 23, 2006 5:49 pm

Hi OneBriiguy!

Thanks for the information and suggestion! =)

Do you, or anyone else, have any ideas on how to minimize friction?

Thanks!
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Postby OneBriiguy » Wed May 24, 2006 5:24 am

ahmee wrote:Hi OneBriiguy!

Thanks for the information and suggestion! =)

Do you, or anyone else, have any ideas on how to minimize friction?

Thanks!


Hi, ahmee!

Could you be more specific? Where do you want to minimize friction?
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Postby ahmee » Fri May 26, 2006 6:56 pm

Hi OneBriiguy!

Is it possible to minimize the friction around the pulley and the axle of the wheel?
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Postby OneBriiguy » Tue May 30, 2006 5:36 am

ahmee wrote:Hi OneBriiguy!

Is it possible to minimize the friction around the pulley and the axle of the wheel?


Hi, ahmee!

To reduce friction between an axle and a wheel mounted on it can be done in several ways. The two simplest are ball bearings and lubricants.

For ball bearings, the easiest to use is something called a "roller bearing" which has the balls captured between two concentric rings. The axle goes through the inner ring and the wheel is mounted on the outer. Try a Google search on "roller bearing" and see what you get. By the way, these may be expensive.

Lubricants are much easier, but may not work as well. One of the best ways to ensure that a lubricant will work best is to make sure the axle is very, very smooth. If you can polish a surface until it's as shiny as a mirror, then it works best. For the lubricant itself, car wax, petroleum jelly, WD-40, or simple sewing machine type oil will suffice. You probably want to avoid heavier lubricants, like car oil or grease, simply because they are messier.

I hope this helps!
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Postby ahmee » Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:57 pm

Hi OneBriiguy!

Thank you very much for the information.

Now, I have another question. For the wheels, I've been thinking of using CDs or wheels from a toy car. Are there other kinds of wheels that I can use? Or are there materials I can use to make the wheels?
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Postby OneBriiguy » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:32 am

ahmee wrote:Hi OneBriiguy!

Thank you very much for the information.

Now, I have another question. For the wheels, I've been thinking of using CDs or wheels from a toy car. Are there other kinds of wheels that I can use? Or are there materials I can use to make the wheels?


Hi, ahmee!

You are definitely coming up with good ideas on your own. Either of those choices would be good. The CD's woudl also make it look kind of cool! (One concern I have about the CD's, though, is that they are very thin and hard. They may tend to spin on a hard floor. Wider toy wheels, although not as cool, might function better. The best thing for you to do is experiment!)
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Postby ahmee » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:27 pm

Hi OneBriiguy!

Thanks for all your help!! I tested mine a few days ago and it went 8.4 meters. =D And I got enough points to get an A in AP Physics. =) Once again, thanks!! =)
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Postby chickentown » Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:49 am

ahmee wrote:Hi OneBriiguy!

Thanks for all your help!! I tested mine a few days ago and it went 8.4 meters. =D And I got enough points to get an A in AP Physics. =) Once again, thanks!! =)


Hi Onebriiguy, since you alreaday done it ? can you tell me how , what specific materials do I need to use and how the car 's structure should look?
I really need your help :roll:

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Postby OneBriiguy » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:34 am

chickentown wrote:Hi Onebriiguy, since you alreaday done it ? can you tell me how , what specific materials do I need to use and how the car 's structure should look?
I really need your help :roll:


Hello, chickentown!

I did not do the project. ahmee did all the work. All I did was provide the advice that you see in the rest of this thread.

If you have questions of your own after reading through this material, please let us know. We'd be happy to help you build a successful project!
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Postby chickentown » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:37 pm

Hi one brightguy

I just realized that all the car's parts including the 1 kg mass must stay together during the entire trip and I think it would run on a cement floor
( actually on a stage ) , I've thinking to use the pulley to transfer the energy from 1 kg mass as the energy for the car to run.
I think I'm gonna build a pulley in the middle of the car, because when the 1 kg mass drop it needs to be on the car . But the problem is what should I use to make this pulley and how am i gonna attacht it to the car??? I am still unsure about that.
And for the wheels , I'm gonna use CDs too but as for the car body what do you think I should use? ( plywood rectangle base of plastic base ) And if I am going to use the wood for the body, I need to make holes in orders for the axles connect to the wheel , right? And What can I use to make those holes, I have no ideas...
So, If you could think of something , it'll be very nice of you to help me
Thanks for all your suggestions ..
Following is the intructions if you'd like to know
Joule Mobile Mass Transporter

The Objective is to build a device which will transport a 1 Kg mass a distance of 10.0 meters over a level surface (as level as possible) using the energy released as the 1 Kg mass falls a distance of exactly 0.100 meters.

Rules:

1. A 1 Kg mass cyclinder (you will be provided with the dimensions in class) with a hook on top will be supplied for use in the competition. The mass must be carried (not rolled or dragged across the floor) by the transporter.

2. The energy to run the transporter is to be stored by lifting the mass, vertically, 10.0 cm above the place (which must be parallel to the floor) where it will rest on the transporter at the end of the run. The mass can not move or rest on a slant with relation to the floor. The force of the falling mass will propel the transporter. Since the falling mass is to supply no more than one joule of energy to the transporter, care should be taken to see that its center of mass does not fall greater than 10.0 cm and that it does not swing during the movement of the transporter.

3. All parts of the transporter, including the falling mass, must move with the transporter and cross the finish line.

4. The transporter must stop on its own using only the friction provided by the wheels and the floor surface. There will be no braking mechanism.

5. After the transporter begins to move, it must be self guided. If it does not move in a straight line, the component of its motion in the designated direction will be measured as the official distance covered. If a part falls off the transporter, then the component in the designated direction to that part will be measured.

6. If a rule clarification seems to be required, it should be discussed with your teacher before the due date. "Cute" solutions which meet the letter of the rules but which violate the spirit of the contest will usually be judged unsatisfactory.

Grading:

120 points
40 points will be determined by workmanship/ design
80 points will be determined by its performance or functionality

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Postby ahmee » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:44 pm

Hi chickentown,

Your project is very similar to mine. Well for mine, I used CDs for the wheels and wood for the body. For the pulley part, I used had a piece of wood sticking out from the middle and then I attached an object (i'm not sure what it's called) on top. The object is sort of like a reel.

"A reel is an object around which lengths of another material (usually long and flexible) are wound for storage. Generally a reel has a cylindrical core and walls on the sides to retain the material wound around the core."

-from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reel

I used a reel because the 1 kg mass was attached to a string so I wound the string around the reel. So when I let go of my car, the string would unwind and the car would move forward.

Hope this helps! =)
Amy =P

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Postby OneBriiguy » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:24 am

Hi, chickentown!

Thank for pitching in, ahmee!

As for the choice of materials, I suggest that you use whatever is convenient for you. You mentioned the possibility of making the car body out of wood or plastic. I think the choice is based on what materials you have available. Making the holes required is probably best done with a drill. Wood has the advantage of being "soft" compared to the plastic making it easier to drill and shape according to your needs. But plastic would offer less friction.

Since the requirements are for the 1 kg weight to fall EXACTLY 0.1 meters, you know you must build your car tall enough to allow for this. You can decide for yourself how to accomplish this, but the first thing that comes to my mind is an "A frame" design where the weight is initially suspended from the top of an upper-case A-shaped support. Or the frame could be a rectangle. It has to be large enough to allow the weight to fall the required distance and also to have enough clearance for the pulley or reel that you use to transfer the energy from the falling weight to the wheels.

Best wishes on your project!
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Postby chickentown » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:13 pm

hi oneibrightguy and ahhmee, thanks a lot for all your helps. I figured out what I am gonna use for the car already, but I do have one more question
for the string, what type of string did you use and where can you buy it?? cause I kind of unsure which type should I use for strings. And as ahhmee said sticking out a piece of wood in the middle of the car for the pulley stand, I get that part but how do you actually attacht the stand to in the middle of the car ( make holes ?? )
Anyway, thanks all for your helps, I really appreciated.... :roll:


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