Science Buddies: "Ask an Expert"

zzzzdoc wrote:I'll chime in first, because I happen to be browsing.

#1 - (Pain? What pain reliever to take?) Doesn't really relate specifically to your project.

#2 - (The Dissolution Race of Pain Relievers) Accurate, but not exciting. Perhaps having this as a second line to a catchy first line would be a winner.

#3 - (Pain Killing) Your project is about dissolution rates, not efficacy, so this is wrong.

#4 - (Fastest Pain Reliever) Maybe, but is it eye-catching?

#5 - (The fastest acting pain relief?) Similar to #4

#6 - (Hard to spell R-E-L-I-E-F?) The commercial was, "How do you spell relief?" It was also a commercial for Alka-Seltzer (which contains ASA, BTW.)

#7 - (Faster dissolution: Faster Pain Relief!) Not bad, except you're back to the fact that you didn't look at any issues of how well the pain reliever worked. So you really don't know if a faster dissolving tablet relieves pain faster. It's a logical assumption, but it isn't necessarily true.

#8 - (Fast dissolve, fast relief, fast pain reliever!) Same as #7.

#9 - (Just not the right pain reliever?) Same as #8, but less interesting.

So personally, I would probably pick 2 or 7. I think though, I'd still try to come up with a catchier phrase to put on top of #2. Hopefully one of the other experts here can help modify one of those to make it into a classic.

BTW, I may be being pickier than some of the other experts here regarding choice #7, but I'm an anesthesiologist, and we're pretty demanding regarding EXACTLY how and when pain medicines work.

I see what you mean, I was thinking that those were a bit queer but i really got no idea because they're not really catchy but that's all I got. I was thinking about #2 really because I was thinking that and then underneath like "one....two...three...go!" or something like that but people think it's stupid! So i'm still not sure any more. Do you have any suggestions on what I can add on two, or make 7 more catchy??

hhamodat wrote:

zzzzdoc wrote:I'll chime in first, because I happen to be browsing.

#1 - (Pain? What pain reliever to take?) Doesn't really relate specifically to your project.

#2 - (The Dissolution Race of Pain Relievers) Accurate, but not exciting. Perhaps having this as a second line to a catchy first line would be a winner.

#3 - (Pain Killing) Your project is about dissolution rates, not efficacy, so this is wrong.

#4 - (Fastest Pain Reliever) Maybe, but is it eye-catching?

#5 - (The fastest acting pain relief?) Similar to #4

#6 - (Hard to spell R-E-L-I-E-F?) The commercial was, "How do you spell relief?" It was also a commercial for Alka-Seltzer (which contains ASA, BTW.)

#7 - (Faster dissolution: Faster Pain Relief!) Not bad, except you're back to the fact that you didn't look at any issues of how well the pain reliever worked. So you really don't know if a faster dissolving tablet relieves pain faster. It's a logical assumption, but it isn't necessarily true.

#8 - (Fast dissolve, fast relief, fast pain reliever!) Same as #7.

#9 - (Just not the right pain reliever?) Same as #8, but less interesting.

So personally, I would probably pick 2 or 7. I think though, I'd still try to come up with a catchier phrase to put on top of #2. Hopefully one of the other experts here can help modify one of those to make it into a classic.

BTW, I may be being pickier than some of the other experts here regarding choice #7, but I'm an anesthesiologist, and we're pretty demanding regarding EXACTLY how and when pain medicines work.

I see what you mean, I was thinking that those were a bit queer but i really got no idea because they're not really catchy but that's all I got. I was thinking about #2 really because I was thinking that and then underneath like "one....two...three...go!" or something like that but people think it's stupid! So i'm still not sure any more. Do you have any suggestions on what I can add on two, or make 7 more catchy??

I agree with zzzzdoc about avoiding any claims to pain relief since yu didn't test that.

I don't think:
The Dissolution Race of Pain Relievers-
One, Two, Three ...Go

is so bad...

And while this is inaccurate for the reasons zzzzdoc says above, it is catchy-
Race to Relief-
How fast do pain relievers dissolve?

Maybe with the more accurate subtitle it is okay...


Louise

Louise

I don't know if these commercials show in Canada, but down here in the States, the most annoying commercial in recent history was for Head On - an absurd product designed to cure headaches by pushing on the head. There are countless parodies of it on You Tube, many TV shows, and people even have ring tones of the commercial. MSNBC picked it as the worst commercial of 2006.

A title that somehow used that could be hysterical down here, but if the commercial doesn't air in Canada, no one would get the joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeadOn

Alka Seltzer had a long list of catch phrases that we all couldn't get out of our heads:
Plop, plop, fizz, fizz, Oh what a relief it is.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing.
Try it, you'll like it!
Mamma mia, that's-a spicy meatball-a

Maybe adding one of the Alka-Seltzer phrases as the Title in large type, with "The Dissolution Rate of Pain Relievers":

Plop, plop, fizz, fizz, Oh what a relief it is!
The Dissolution Rate of Pain Relievers


You know, I just re-read #2. I don't know if you meant to use "race" instead of "rate", but that's not bad by itself either.

Anyway, just brainstorming. And having a blast watching old pain reliever commercials on YouTube.

hahahahhaa, i know what you mean... Head on commercial is sooo annoying. It airs in Canada too. so are you saying I should do something like that? like right a slogan that is soo annoying.. I really like Louise's idea, the Race to Relief- How fast do pain relievers dissolve? I find it catchy and gives enough information. I was looking at tylenol commericals on youtube but they're really stupid and not something I could use for a title. I don't think i can do the an Alka Seltzer slogan because I didn't use that pill but maybe I can find one for like tylenol because that's the one which won. And i wrote race not rate but if you want rate might make sense. Eventhough I'm not really finding the rate. I was thinking something like race and then the race flags on the side or something.

If you like Louise's idea, go for it. I agree - it's catchy, and describes the experiment. More importantly -- YOU LIKE IT.

Book em, Dano.

BTW, don't forget to tell us how you did. We all love getting the feedback.

Good luck tomorrow! I hope everything goes very well...

Louise

hi!!!

I presented my project and I got a 96% because it's out of 50. I then went to the school fair and I won and got a medal and now i'm going to the regionals! I'm really excited for it and can't wait. Thank you sooooooooooooo much for all your help- I couldn't have done it without you. And thanks Louise for the title- I used it!! My title is kind of huge- but that's ok- it stands out! The regionals is on the 30th plus 31st- but i don't think i'm going to get anything because it's from grade 7-12 and the judges judge really hard. But i'm still looking foward to it! Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!

Congratulations . I'm glad everything worked out so well for you!

Wonderful news. Congratulations.

Do tell us about the regionals when they are done.

Thanks... wish me luck for the regionals!

A pool supply store usually stocks "Muriatic Acid" which is HCl. You might also find at a hardware store or home improvement store that sells masonry and tile products as acid washing is part of many installation processes.

While it isn't reagent grade (the quality that chemists need for analitical work), neither is what is in stomachs. You aren't doing any chemical analysis of the results so pool store "Muratic Acid" should be fine for your experiment.

Please note that different Pharmaceutical firms have different formulations for the binders and coatings. Most are probably designed so they won't immediately disolve when you get them the slightest bit wet. These firms usually don't want to leave a bad taste in the mouths of their customers caused by the active ingredient disolving in the mouth.

You are probably going to find more out about the non-active ingredients than the active drug itself. This means that you should probably investigate different brands of the same drug. Note: Some "store" brands may actually be made by the same manufacturer as the "brand name" or they may share the same formulation.

You should also try to look up some older FDA testing proceedures used to insure that tablets and capsules actually disolve. Most of these older tests have been replaced by bio-availability tests that attempt to measure how much of the active ingredient is actually absorbed.

This experiment falls into "Pharmeceutical Sciences" and Industrial Pharmacists are the experts who do these things for a living.

Sorry, I messed up and read page one and not the latest.

hhamodat wrote:hi!!!

I presented my project and I got a 96% because it's out of 50. I then went to the school fair and I won and got a medal and now i'm going to the regionals! I'm really excited for it and can't wait. Thank you sooooooooooooo much for all your help- I couldn't have done it without you. And thanks Louise for the title- I used it!! My title is kind of huge- but that's ok- it stands out! The regionals is on the 30th plus 31st- but i don't think i'm going to get anything because it's from grade 7-12 and the judges judge really hard. But i'm still looking foward to it! Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!

That is fantastic! Good luck at the regionals. Have fun there!

Louise

The regionals is tomorrow! Any tips that I should remember? I'm really nervous and i don't think i'm going to win a medal because there's like 500 students there!! ahhhhhhh

hhamodat wrote:The regionals is tomorrow! Any tips that I should remember? I'm really nervous and i don't think i'm going to win a medal because there's like 500 students there!! ahhhhhhh

Relax and have fun! You did a great project, you know your subject... there isn't anything else you can do!

Be polite and friendly to anyone who comes up to your poster and offer to walk them through it.


Louise

THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED ME! I GOT A GOLD MEDAL IN THE REGIONALS THANKS TO YOU! i couldn't have done this project without you. I'm really glad that I got a gold medal in the regionals and a good mark in my project as well. THANKS AGAIN!!!

hhamodat wrote:THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED ME! I GOT A GOLD MEDAL IN THE REGIONALS THANKS TO YOU! i couldn't have done this project without you. I'm really glad that I got a gold medal in the regionals and a good mark in my project as well. THANKS AGAIN!!!

Congrats! That is amazing! Hope you had a fun time at regionals.

Thanks for the update.


Louise

Congrats! You did a great job of sticking with the project and I'm glad to hear they rewarded your efforts.

Wonderful job. Congratulations. Well deserved.

THANKS!!

you can buy the acid from most hardwares, my husband in renovations and buys it from there quite often