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Cooking
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:24 pm
by puja144
my project is which orange juice has the mot vitamin c in it, i posted the link below, but when i make the vitamin c standard solution, the color doesn't change, like the color is suppose to change to a blue-black but nothing happens. which Vitamin C tablets r u suppose to buy?
https://www.sciencebuddies.org/science- ... p044.shtml
Re: Cooking
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:25 am
by puja144
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Re: Cooking
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:43 pm
by donnahardy2
Hi Puja,
If you mix your iodine solution with the starch solution, it should turn blue immediately. If you are measuring vitamin C, the vitamin will oxidize the iodine and the appearance of the blue color will not occur until there is an excess of the iodine solution. So if your standard contains chemically equivalent more vitamin C compared to iodine, then the blue color won’t appear.
Please let me know if you see the blue color when you mix just starch and iodine. If you don’t, then let me know exactly how you prepared the starch and what source of iodine you are using. You need to isolate the problem.
Donna Hardy
Re: Cooking
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:17 pm
by deleted-71940
Hello,
Here is a link to a website that explains the concept of a titration:
http://www.answers.com/topic/titration
If you can't understand this link, read through the procedure of your project a few more times. I think it will help you to learn the principles behind the reaction that produces the color change. Like the previous expert said, if you do not add enough iodine to react with all of the Vitamin C, the color change will not occur.
Hope this helps,
Nithin T.
Re: Cooking
Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:31 pm
by puja144
donnahardy2 wrote:Hi Puja,
If you mix your iodine solution with the starch solution, it should turn blue immediately. If you are measuring vitamin C, the vitamin will oxidize the iodine and the appearance of the blue color will not occur until there is an excess of the iodine solution. So if your standard contains chemically equivalent more vitamin C compared to iodine, then the blue color won’t appear.
Please let me know if you see the blue color when you mix just starch and iodine. If you don’t, then let me know exactly how you prepared the starch and what source of iodine you are using. You need to isolate the problem.
Donna Hardy
well we used almost all of the idoine solution, but the color did not change, i think it was the Vitamin c tablets, the ones i used were multivitamin, which means it had all the vitamin in it and not just Vitamin C, so can that be it? does the type of vitamin c tablet used affect it? what brand of vitamin c are you suppose to use, cuz in the procedure it doesnt say? i am off for winter break and will return in school on jan.3rd so i cant do the experiment till then.
Re: Cooking
Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:41 am
by donnahardy2
Hi Puja,
Did you mix the iodine solution with the starch without adding any vitamin C? You should see an immediate dark blue color. This should be a good way to check your reagents. Try this first when you get a chance to start working on your project again.
It's possible that there were other antioxidants in the multivitamin pill. I would recommend using vitamin C tablets that don't contain any other ingredients.
Donna Hardy
Re: Cooking
Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:04 pm
by puja144
donnahardy2 wrote:Hi Puja,
Did you mix the iodine solution with the starch without adding any vitamin C? You should see an immediate dark blue color. This should be a good way to check your reagents. Try this first when you get a chance to start working on your project again.
It's possible that there were other antioxidants in the multivitamin pill. I would recommend using vitamin C tablets that don't contain any other ingredients.
Donna Hardy
are you taking about adding the iodine solution with starch, like just the powder, or mixing starch with distilled water, and then adding it to the iodine solution? also where does Vitamin C come from, because in the procedure you don't add vitamin c tablets to the starch solution or the iodine solution?
Re: Cooking
Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:40 pm
by deleted-71827
Hi,
I think she means that you means that you add the iodine solution directly to the starch. In terms of the Vitamin C, instead of using the multivitamin tablets that you used initially, you should use pure Vitamin C tablets that do not contain other vitamins in it as well. I copied the following from the procedure:
Make a fresh vitamin C standard solution (1 mg/mL). Do this on each day that you make vitamin C measurements from oranges.
This step will allow you to determine the amount of vitamin C in each type of orange juice. Good luck!
Re: Cooking
Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:05 pm
by donnahardy2
Hi,
Yes, staryl13 is correct. I was suggesting that you check your reagents to make sure they are working. If you add your iodine solution to the starch you should see the dark blue color. If you don’t see this, then try putting some of the iodine solution on a piece of freshly cut potato. This should help isolate the problem to the multivitamin, the iodine, or the starch solution. We think the most likely cause is the multivitamin, but this basic troubleshooting will help you identify the source of the problem so you can correct it and continue with your project.
Here is a website that describes the reaction between iodine solution and starch:
http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/ ... odine.html
Vitamin C donates an electron to, or reduces iodine to iodide and disrupts the triodide complex and prevents the color from forming:
http://chemistry.about.com/od/demonstra ... ration.htm
This is an example of a reduction/oxidation, or redox reaction.
http://www.shodor.org/unchem/advanced/redox/
Please let us know if you need more explanation of the chemistry. Understanding the chemistry of the reaction is very important for this project.
Donna Hardy
Re: Cooking
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:26 pm
by puja144
donnahardy2 wrote:Hi,
Yes, staryl13 is correct. I was suggesting that you check your reagents to make sure they are working. If you add your iodine solution to the starch you should see the dark blue color. If you don’t see this, then try putting some of the iodine solution on a piece of freshly cut potato. This should help isolate the problem to the multivitamin, the iodine, or the starch solution. We think the most likely cause is the multivitamin, but this basic troubleshooting will help you identify the source of the problem so you can correct it and continue with your project.
Here is a website that describes the reaction between iodine solution and starch:
http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/ ... odine.html
Vitamin C donates an electron to, or reduces iodine to iodide and disrupts the triodide complex and prevents the color from forming:
http://chemistry.about.com/od/demonstra ... ration.htm
This is an example of a reduction/oxidation, or redox reaction.
Thanks, what i dont get is why do you have to titrate vitamin c standered soultion, your measuring vitamin c from oranges, so where do measuring vitamin c from tablest come from?
http://www.shodor.org/unchem/advanced/redox/
Please let us know if you need more explanation of the chemistry. Understanding the chemistry of the reaction is very important for this project.
Donna Hardy
Re: Cooking
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:33 pm
by deleted-71827
Hi,
The reason why we need to measure Vitamin C from the tablets is for you to have a standard and known measurement of Vitamin C for which to compare the Vitamin C levels in the orange juice. Once you know the amount of Vitamin C in the tablets, you can then measure the amount of Vitamin C in the juice in terms of the amount of Vitamin C in the tablets. This will make your results much more accurate because you have a systematic way of measuring the Vitamin C. Hope this helps!
Re: Cooking
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:35 pm
by puja144
Ok, it the Vitamin C tablets that were the problem, but i still have question listed below
1. How much iodine solution should you expect it to take to change the vitamin c standered solution to blue-black( complete titration) if you use a 1% soluble starch solution?
2. Should you time the color change before or after swirling/mixing the solution( the vitamin c solution)
Re: Cooking
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:03 am
by donnahardy2
Hi,
The ratio of the reaction is one molecule/one mole of vitamin C per one molecule/one mole of iodide. If you use the iodide solution in this website, then it will take about 10 ml of iodide solution per 0.25 grams of vitamin C. The details are included in this website.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/demonstra ... ration.htm
You titrate until the color persists after swirling for 20 seconds. You should run your samples in triplicate, if possible.
What concentration of iodide and vitamin C are you using? How much chemistry have you had? There are some other calculations you can do for this project. If you are interested, please post your results to let us know what happens in your experiment.
Donna Hardy