According to Newton's second law if the resultant force acting on a body is non zero the body moves with an acceleration proportional to the mass of the body, right?Then,
1. Can anyone explain this in an intuitive sense?
2. In solving problems we say that the resultant force is equivalent to the product "ma"(mass times acceleration).How?
3. Can anyone explain the D'Alembert's principle?
Newton's second law!!
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The first question contains an error. The acceleration is INVERSELY proportional to the mass of the object for a fixed force.
I think I can contribute to the first question... at least, it was easier for me to understand it when I was in college when I transformed the problem this way... I was so excited at this discovery I woke up my roommate. She was not so thrilled and answered, "Well, Duh! Go back to sleep!"
Newton postulated the behavior of motion of mass as three laws, as he was introducing it without our concept of a "reference frame". But we have no such limitation. We can use the concept of a reference frame. So...
If one observes a collection of objects with mass from the point of view of the reference frame of the "center of mass", then every interaction that occurs within the collection of objects will have no effect on that center of mass!
This simple stament boils down all three laws to one statement with very profound consequences. For an object's mass to remain in balance with all of the other objects to maintain the collective center of mass, an object at rest must stay at rest (with respect to the reference frame coincident with the center of mass), unless it interacts with something else, via a force. Further, each object in motion must remain in motion along a straight line, unless it interacts with some other mass via a force, else the center of mass would change. Finally, each time any object of a given mass interacts with another object of a second given mass, the change in velocity times mass (action) for each must be equal and opposit (reaction) so that the center of mass remains the same for all future time as the object move in their new directions.
Thus, the intuitive answer is that all interactions, including accelerations, must happen in a way to maintain the center of mass.... but it begs the quesiton, why is the force equal to the acceleration times the mass?
Well... we go back to the definition of force... a force is equal to the energy times the distance... F=e/d (more classically shown as w=fd, where "w" is work, another word for energy) The energy is related to the action: velocity times mass.... I think you can work at the rest?
BTW, the above intuitive answer also applies in special relativity and in general relativity... in fact... it helped me understand why mass concentration causes the space time curveture to change: It has to to maintain the center of mass for the universe! (which by the way, does not exist inside of the universe today, but rather outside of it in an extradimensional sense, mathematically speaking, at the space-time point of the Big Bang.)
I don't know the reference to D'Alembert, anyone else?
I think I can contribute to the first question... at least, it was easier for me to understand it when I was in college when I transformed the problem this way... I was so excited at this discovery I woke up my roommate. She was not so thrilled and answered, "Well, Duh! Go back to sleep!"
Newton postulated the behavior of motion of mass as three laws, as he was introducing it without our concept of a "reference frame". But we have no such limitation. We can use the concept of a reference frame. So...
If one observes a collection of objects with mass from the point of view of the reference frame of the "center of mass", then every interaction that occurs within the collection of objects will have no effect on that center of mass!
This simple stament boils down all three laws to one statement with very profound consequences. For an object's mass to remain in balance with all of the other objects to maintain the collective center of mass, an object at rest must stay at rest (with respect to the reference frame coincident with the center of mass), unless it interacts with something else, via a force. Further, each object in motion must remain in motion along a straight line, unless it interacts with some other mass via a force, else the center of mass would change. Finally, each time any object of a given mass interacts with another object of a second given mass, the change in velocity times mass (action) for each must be equal and opposit (reaction) so that the center of mass remains the same for all future time as the object move in their new directions.
Thus, the intuitive answer is that all interactions, including accelerations, must happen in a way to maintain the center of mass.... but it begs the quesiton, why is the force equal to the acceleration times the mass?
Well... we go back to the definition of force... a force is equal to the energy times the distance... F=e/d (more classically shown as w=fd, where "w" is work, another word for energy) The energy is related to the action: velocity times mass.... I think you can work at the rest?
BTW, the above intuitive answer also applies in special relativity and in general relativity... in fact... it helped me understand why mass concentration causes the space time curveture to change: It has to to maintain the center of mass for the universe! (which by the way, does not exist inside of the universe today, but rather outside of it in an extradimensional sense, mathematically speaking, at the space-time point of the Big Bang.)
I don't know the reference to D'Alembert, anyone else?
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OK,
I did some websearch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Alembert%27s_principle
This looks to be the best explaination of d'Alembert's principle... which turns out to be a mathematical treatment that explores further the implications of the intuitive understanding of Newton's laws of motion, essentially agreeing with what I said about the center of mass.
I did some websearch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Alembert%27s_principle
This looks to be the best explaination of d'Alembert's principle... which turns out to be a mathematical treatment that explores further the implications of the intuitive understanding of Newton's laws of motion, essentially agreeing with what I said about the center of mass.
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Re: Newton's second law!!
jrm2002 wrote:According to Newton's second law if the resultant force acting on a body is non zero the body moves with an acceleration proportional to the mass of the body, right?Then,
1. Can anyone explain this in an intuitive sense?
2. In solving problems we say that the resultant force is equivalent to the product "ma"(mass times acceleration).How?
My attempt to explain this in english.
1 and 2, the equation is: F=MA
Force as useful concept is a pretty modern idea. What we're talking about here is almost a dictionary definition of "force" expressed in mathematical terms. To understand it, you have to understand what he means by mass and accelleration.
Weight is something you understand - we all know what we weigh and what heavier and lighter means. The concept of weight as we know it intuitively though requires gravity. We experience weight because the earth's gravity is pulling us downward. On a lighter gravity planet, like the Moon or Mars, you would weigh less. But...your MASS would be the same. Mass is the part of your weight that does not depend on outside forces like gravity. It is the same no matter where you stand.
Accelleration is a concept that is probably easier for us to understand today, with automobiles and such, than it would be for the average person in Newton's time. When you press the accellerator in a car, the car accellerates
If you drop a rock, it accellerates toward the earth. It goes from zero speed to some faster speed...that means it is accellerating.
What Newton said with this law is that the rock has a mass, and if we observe how it accellerates we can measure the gravitional "force".
Or if we know the gravitational force, we can take the weight and determine the mass and predict how it will accellerate. Furthermore we can predict how it will behave if some other force (for example, the energy from a bowstring or cannon blast) operates on the object.
You can take any two things in the equation and predict the third. Some are easier to measure than others, depending on your situation. If you have the right kind of math (either really complex geometry or relatively simple Calculus - a math invented by both Newton and a German rival about the same time) you can pretty much predict the way objects behave with all sorts of forces acting on them, if you can figure out how to measure either their mass, their speed, their accelleration or the forces acting on them.
The reference to "Vectors" in the expanded version of his second law is the point that forces have a direction. Going back to the automobile example, when you are moving at 50mph south, pushing on the accellerator will cause a force in the "south" direction, where pushing on the breaks will cause a force in the "north" direction.
Prior to Newton, it was assumed that an object in motion would eventually slow down and stop. This concept of "impetus" matches some observations, such as the fact that if you don't touch accellerator or breaks on your car (or use cruise control), it will slow down from 50mph. The reason though, isn't that Newton is incorrect. The reason is that at all times, an automobile going south has some "north" forces on it if it is moving (air resistance being the big one, but friction also playing a part). What cruise control does is add some "south" forces in the form of engine power to counter the "north" forces and keep you going 50mph south.
Aristotilian mechanics matched some observations but didn't attempt to explain them, and didn't match many other observations. Newton's F=MA approach works on almost everything "human" scale. (very small things, very fast things and very massive things behave differently for reasons way too complex to enter into here)
In what my old instructor called the "never never land of physics" (an environment quite similar to deep space, actually) that car wouldn't have any friction, no air resistance and thus if going 50mph, it would stay at 50mph forever, until some other force made it speed up or slow down.
I would call this a "trick" actually. This sort of thing is common in real world math, mechanics and electronics - you can't solve a problem the normal way, so you invent a condition that if it existed, you could solve the problem. Then you kind of back the condition out.jrm2002 wrote: 3. Can anyone explain the D'Alembert's principle?
In this case, what D'Alembert is doing is turning a motion problem into a static problem, even when forces are involved, using Newton's equation. This was important to unify thinking, and as a test of the idea. The equation is complicated but all it is really saying is:
"I can prevent accelleration even when forces are operating on an object by applying an opposite force to the other side...an object can hold still because NO forces are applied to it...or because MANY but CANCELLING forces are applied to it"
In fact, Cruise Control and your parking brake on a car can be both seen as examples of the principle in action. The concept is that two opposite forces applied to a given object leave it in equilibrium (not accellerating, changing speeds).
In the 50mph south direction case, we have an existing velocity. The goal of the cruise control is to keep it at 50mph. The road conditions change (wind can help or hinder the speed, hills can help or hinder, plus the car engine/tires will waste some energy in friction) so what the cruise control does is try to exert a force equal to that exerted by the entire environment "against" 50mph. It isn't perfect, because changes in conditions aren't detected until the speedometer shifts higher or lower.
In the parking situation, a car parked on a hill will roll down unless something stops it. If you don't turn your wheels into a curb, or put down some other barrier to it moving, it will accellerate due to gravity. What the parking brake does is increase the force required to cause the tires in the car to rotate (generally, they increase friction).
The difference is that in the first case, going faster or slower is bad, and the environment constantly changes, so you need a way to add "north" and "south" accelleration to the car (brakes and accellearator) and also something smart enough to know when to apply that accelleration.
In the second case, all you want is "don't go faster than zero". So the parking brake only has to be "at least as strong as the force exerted by gravity on any reasonable hill, based on the mass of the car". Unlike with the cruise control, you can make the parking brake way stronger than the expected forces and still get a good result, because gravity isn't going to change. A parking brake though, might not stop the car if an earthquake made the hill steeper. It might also fail if the assumption that the wheels had to turn to move the car failed (if the car can slide on the wheels, like on black ice).

